[Tweak] Refresher Orb

Discussion in 'Remakes' started by Darkmeplez, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    Note: Just a small change to the Manacost,CD and Recipe Price.

    March 28, 2012
    • Made a nerf to CD to balance. (145 -> 175)
    March 8, 2012
    • Added Changelog.
    • Improved the Templates and Its contents.
    March 6, 2012
    - Posted this on Suggestions -> Remakes
    • Reduced Recipe cost. (1875 -> 1575)
    • Reduced Mana Cost by 100 (375 -> 275)
    • Reduced Cooldown by 15 seconds. (160 -> 145)



    • +5 HP/sec regeneration
    • +200% mana regeneration
    • +40 damage
    • +6 Intelligence
    • Reset Cooldowns (active)
    • Oblivion Staff (1675)
    • Perseverance (1750)
    • Refresher Orb (1875)
    • Total Cost (5300)

    Reset Cooldowns
    • Resets the cooldowns of all your abilities and items
    • Costs 375 mana, and has a 160 second cooldown
    • +5 HP/sec regeneration
    • +200% mana regeneration
    • +40 damage
    • +6 Intelligence
    • Reset Cooldowns (active)
    • Oblivion Staff (1675)
    • Perseverance (1750)
    • Refresher Orb (1575)
    • Total Cost (5000)

    Reset Cooldowns
    • Resets the cooldowns of all your abilities and items
    • Costs 275 mana, and has a 175 second cooldown

    Changes: Buffs are in Green, Nerfs are in Red
    -More people will buy Refresher orb because of cheaper recipe
    -Low manacost makes it useful for Strength type nukers/casters (ES,TC,etc.)

    -A bit overpowered?

    What do you guys think?
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012
  2. ihatedota

    ihatedota Active Member

    first, why these changes? if you don't give us any reason for your suggestion it is going to be a Big T-null for most of us, or even a big T-down
  3. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    There you go. Added Pros and Cons.
  4. TheHydroMule

    TheHydroMule Well-Known Member

    A buff may be necessary because as of right now some of the only heroes who get it are Zeus and Rhasta etc., maybe this will help I become more popular.

    Not 100% on it yet but leaning towards Yes.
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2012
  5. UniversalMan

    UniversalMan Well-Known Member

    I think the only problem is high manacost, the rest of current is OK.
  6. bigolet

    bigolet Well-Known Member

    Refresher Orb is very useful for some heroes (like was pointed out: Zeus, Rhasta, and others) so if you boost it like you suggested it could be used by others, but Zeus and Rhasta would have refresher as a `must buy` then.
    I realize it could be more used by other heroes, but simply giving this buff that works for EVERY hero would create problems.
  7. 300thecat

    300thecat Well-Known Member

    The thing about Refresher is that certain parts of it are not relevant to it's concept.

    +40 damage? What?

    Heroes that typically buy this item (Treant, Magnus) need the manapool to cast their spells twice. This item doesn't give it.
  8. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    That's why I reduced the Manacost from [note=current]375[/note] to [note=suggested]275[/note].

    Need More Feedback.
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2012
  9. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

  10. 300thecat

    300thecat Well-Known Member

    The manacost doesn't matter. The thing is, the mana required for the hero's own skills is already too much for their manapool.
  11. Snake

    Snake Well-Known Member

    It's better than the current one, so :thumbsup:

    GASHOLE Well-Known Member

    TDown. The Refresher is as good as it is. It doesn't give the same effect compared to other items. Guinsoo's for example gives a 3.5 second duration disable to enemies when wielded by any hero.Refresher gives Phantom Assassin a double Phantom Strike and a Double Strifling Dagger however, Refresher gives Doom a 3v5 Team Clash.
  13. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    I didn't change much of the current, So I'm not quite sure what you're whining about.

    It's still the same as it is, Only better.
  14. msf720

    msf720 Well-Known Member

    Really tough item to balance, IceFrog would rather have it overpriced than underpriced.

    I feel either the cooldown or mana cost should be reduced, but not both. Agree that the price should be a bit lower.

    GASHOLE Well-Known Member

  16. freakinmaniac

    freakinmaniac Well-Known Member

    Tinker's Rearm that has 1 sec reset skill cd has a >300 manacost. And why this instant reset skill has only 275 manacost and cheaper price? This item will beat down Tinker, and Rearm will be useless...
  17. asdasd

    asdasd Well-Known Member

    Either stop trolling or being stupid. Tinker's ulti does not even have a cd.

    Given that this item is not gotten on any hero (It's very situational on zeus and on rhasta, perhaps more used on Warlock even if agha-> guinsoo is simply better), I will t-up this.
  18. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that serious feedback.

    Somehow i thought there were no more but trolls in my thread that can't even comprehend just a simple change.
  19. SugaSutA

    SugaSutA Well-Known Member

    What the f*?

    I like the idea of making it cheaper, but essentially wasn't refresher supposed to be the "final" item? Reducing mana costs (not even considering cooldown) would make this item one of the extensions after core for some heroes, and further reducing cooldowns, means once every few teamfights I'll face 2 massive ulties? I don't think that's balanced at all...
  20. Darkmeplez

    Darkmeplez Well-Known Member

    I need more feedback,

    At least, Before I make an attempt to nerf the CD from 145 -> 175
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012