Liquids cores are gnerally good just choked here dude espec matumbaman and data is consistent. And actually in most of liquids games mind control is the one making big plays the thing is no team is really that good I agree with you. To me EG are really the only truely good team all other teams are lacking in some department except maybe OG but even then Notail is an average pro carry. Eg have : - Best drafter/strategist and captain by far in the scene atm. - Team that listens to him without question and works together. - PPD is constantlly thinking of new ways to counter stuff and the next unbeatable thing. I remember during Ti4 era I really hated EG because they own so methodically and easily in the same uniform pattern often with a jungle enigma. - GREAT core players, arguably the best in their positions or at least tied for it, if not that in the western scene. - Playmaker like Universe. - Consistent players, some of EG's players are inconsistent but Universe imo never is and same with Fear. They clown around sometimes is all like the game vs Alliance which they should've won that was a Bo1. The only type of team that could match this imo is an Xiao8 team, he is the only one that can rival PPD atm. Puppey may have strategys but imo his drafts have often lost games recently and he isnt that good of a drafter anymore.