Is "Nuh-uh" the only "argument" you know? How about, instead of simply denying the "loophole", you explain why it isn't a "loophole". We asked you for a workable definition of christianity, and you dodge the question by answering "someone who behaves like a christian", which simply avoids the question by pushing it back one step. How does one behave like a christian? What is it all these "false christians" are doing wrong? Do you have to bhave like a christian all the time to count as a christian, or are you only a christian when you behave like one, or what? Maybe I'm just ignorant (and coincidentally, everyone else in the thread too), but I don't see how your definition is of any use discerning true christians from false ones without additional information; information that you seem unwilling or unable to give. Because you're convinced it's the literal truth and the word of god, despite not being able to argue your case. Logic according to Star_Saber. S_S: I'm right. AR: No, because X,Y and Z S_S: I'm right, go read the bible. AR: I just explained why you're wrong. Also what does the bible have to do with this? S_S: You're wrong and a retard. I'm still right. AR: You're just repeating your assertions. S_S: WHY DO YOU THINK I KEEP REPEATING MYSELF! THINK! THIIIIIIIIIIINK! Sorry Star_Saber, but no amount of thinking on my part will turn your incoherent mass of assertions and fallacies into a valid and sound syllogism. Instead of trying to have us make sense of your nonsense, maybe YOU could put some actual thought into it, hmm? First of all, I'm not declaring anything. My point is that I can't say if someone is a "true christian" or not and neither can you. Sure, if I observe their behavior, their rituals, if I test their knowledge of that religion, I can make a good guess based on that evidence, but ultimately, I have no way to be certain what another person believes. If someone walks up to me on the street and tells me "I believe in X", I have only their word for it, and barring any evidence or reason to suspect otherwise, I have to tentatively accept that. I already gave my definition of a christian: someone who professes to be a christian and follows some sort of doctrine or dogma based on the bible. Whether that means going door-to-door with lame pamphlets, wearing magic underwear, talking gibberish, believing in magic crackers or refusing any technology younger that 1700-something, it doesn't matter to me. They're all sects of christianity, they all base their religion on the same nonsense stories about jahwe and Jesus, so they're all christians to me. Could they be lying? Absolutely, but why would they? And would it really matter to me if they did? Is there any outward difference between a true believer and someone who just goes through the motions?