you're like the only guy I've know that's having a hard time to agree with this favorite phrase of mine. Is it really that hard to swallow? Without those 3 basic needs you're dead. But that is also saying we're all needy. to the point that we're willing to kill for these 3 basic needs. But why stop at the first 3? why not extend that to security? you may never know you won't get to eat the next day. Why not extend that to power? once we're powerless we'd be defenseless. And then the desire grew. greed or necessity, wars are wars. China was once at war with Eurasia because they refused to sell ceramics. This particular war would have been prevented if only China did sold their ceramics. They only do it out of necessity. they're paid for doing it. but honestly? that's a big slash to their pride. ---------- Post added at 01:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:36 PM ---------- ridiculous. you'd be dead in the next minute without oxygen.