Building Medusa

Discussion in 'Game Strategy' started by DoM, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. DoM

    DoM Well-Known Member

    How do you build her now? mom, demon edge, bkb, into rapier seems to not work right now.
     
  2. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Well-Known Member

    Its not an issue of building her atm, its the issue on WHEN to pick her. Pick her against bad matchups, she'll be shit no matter what
     
  3. jokinen

    jokinen Well-Known Member

    Why do you feel like the build is not working?

    I'd incorporate dragon lance into the build to out-range towers so pushing with the rapier becomes easier. Haven't played medusa in a while so I have no experience of dragon lance in that build but on paper it sounds appealing.

    If for some reason I don't want to buy rapier daedalus becomes the substitute item but the hero certainly feels a lot weaker if I end up doing so.
     
  4. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Well-Known Member

    You can possibly substitute with Blademail as a pseudo defensive item since that thing gives full damage now on return and not reduced by Mana Shield.

    Mael can be a substitute but nothing beats good old raw damage. Maybe Bthorn as a mana+damage item but idk where you fit that in the item build
     
  5. ark-eXodia

    ark-eXodia Well-Known Member

    My friend playing over 600 medusa game, dunno why he always go linken-mael-manta-mjonir, he say the shit works.
     
  6. FightFightFight

    FightFightFight Well-Known Member

    MoM+Rapier build does not work any more due to new Blademail. also, ricing was nerfed and sticking around in fights was buffed, so 1st item to go for should be survival/regen, not DPS.

    just build her as a big dumb tank. Linkens/Soul Booster + Mjolnir + Blaidmail sounds like a way to go
     
  7. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Well-Known Member

    >get Wind Lace
    >more MS than Yasha/Manta
    >??
    >profit
     
  8. GoD_Tyr

    GoD_Tyr Well-Known Member

    Stats, stats, stats. She benefits from ALL stats. STR gives more tankiness, INT gives more tankiness, AGI gives her more tankiness. All 3 stats benefit Medusa (str to lesser extent). Skadi Linkens Butterfly, lategame just add some nice juicy items so you will actually be relevant. At some point, she needs serious buff in damage via items and rapier sounds like a nice way to go unless you have a retarded team which is then a big nono. Otherwise, much safer way would be to go with Mjolnir.

    I once played INT Medusa (back in War 3), with rushing Guinso, Linkens, Skadi. She is basically very versatile in how you can build her.
     
  9. GoD_Tyr

    GoD_Tyr Well-Known Member

    Stats, stats, stats. She benefits from ALL stats. STR gives more tankiness, INT gives more tankiness, AGI gives her more tankiness. All 3 stats benefit Medusa (str to lesser extent). Skadi Linkens Butterfly, lategame just add some nice juicy items so you will actually be relevant. At some point, she needs serious buff in damage via items and rapier sounds like a nice way to go unless you have a retarded team which is then a big nono. Otherwise, much safer way would be to go with Mjolnir.

    I once played INT Medusa (back in War 3), with rushing Guinso, Linkens, Skadi. She is basically very versatile in how you can build her.
     
  10. AvrilLabigne

    AvrilLabigne Well-Known Member

    Battlefury > Butterfly
     
  11. Animus2280

    Animus2280 Well-Known Member

    there's a certain point where building more int doesn't help, because mana shield only blocks 50% of incoming damage. you never want to get linkens + manta + skadi. 2 of those is sufficient

    hurricane pike/butterfly/bloodthorn/bkb/mkb/daedalus. avoid lifesteal. phase > treads since your damage is lacking
     
  12. DoM

    DoM Well-Known Member

    So what's the final verdict?
     
  13. RollingWave

    RollingWave Well-Known Member

    There's no real verdict, the question isn't WHAT you build, it's basically if you can actually get them.

    Whatever you build, Medusa basically needs to out farm other heroes to have a real chance, the first items tend to be considering items that can help her keep farming (Linken for survival and regen, or Mael / MoM for faster farming etc.)

    The problem is if your going for that sort of hero then there are others who are either harder hitting or faster farming . Medusa's advantage relatively is that she's kinda strong in the laning phase (but kinda mitigated by the fact that her low damage makes it hard for her to last hit well.) against some heroes and her ultimate in the right situation is pretty damn strong.

    That's kinda the problem though, she's a situational all purpose hero, which is sort of an oxymoron concept.
     
  14. Animus2280

    Animus2280 Well-Known Member

    The reason you pick medusa is so that even if they throw all their spells at you (except the ones that drain mana like EMP/mana burn, those tend to rape you) like lasso/roar/finger/ravage, you still have over 60% of your HP left and can immediately turn the tables with gaze. Hopefully you have heroes like slardar/storm who can chase down weakened heroes since you're awful at that as well.

    Her laning is pretty bad and unlike drow, receives no steroid skill at 6.
     
  15. MrMackey

    MrMackey Well-Known Member

    medusa's laning is completely fine actually. mystic snake is awesome right now, clear wave -> pull -> clear stacked pull camp as well -> arrive back in lane just in time to hit more creeps and with full mana provided you didn't get ursa+centaur spawn.
     
  16. Zenotha

    Zenotha Well-Known Member

    nah lol you're totally wrong

    in the first place it absorbs 60% of incoming damage

    in addition damage resistances (armour/magic resist) kick in only after you lose mana, so medu tends to lose a lot more mana than hp per point of damage.

    let's say you have ~18/19 armour which gives you 50% physical damage reduction

    1k incoming physical damage will reduce your mana by 600, before you lose 200 hp.

    In other words at 50% physical reduction you need 3x more mana than hp before you run into the problem of having too much mana. the more armour you have, the greater the multiplier.

    for magical damage at 25% resistance you need twice as much mana as hp.

    since you take a mix of physical and magical damage you generally will need at least 2.5x your raw hp in mana before having too much mana becomes an issue, i.e. never.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2016
  17. AvrilLabigne

    AvrilLabigne Well-Known Member

    The problem here is she has no physical damage. And Battlefury is the only item that grant both Mana and damage.

    Don't matter what, you will be forced to build a Battlefury first, so you can ever use Snake and also deal any damage with Split Shot.

    After that, I don't know.

    Maybe Battlefury into four Ultimate Orb which you could translate into Skady.

    Or Battlefury, MKB + 3 Skady, why not?
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2016
  18. BornFromAGrave

    BornFromAGrave Well-Known Member

    If you ask me, Medusa is the hero with the most ancient and most brainless copied itembuilds.
    [nqb]Mael/Mjol
    Beside of beeing tanky af, Dusa is able to deal a lot of dmg with her splittshot. I dont know why this is even considered as legit. You wont get Mael on Luna, Gyro or Sven.

    Chainlightning does 120 dmg with 25% proc-chance. Thats ~30 dmg per hin on avarage. This dmg does not scale. It does only proc on the maintarget. Its magical and therefore gone when your ulti kicks in, dosnt harm buildings (and does barely dmg vs Medusas biggest foe AM). 30 times 1.25 = 37,5. Every item that provides 37,5 dmg on her rightclicks offers the same 30 dmg with spliishot active that you get from Mael. Is there a good item around with this value? What about Demon Edge with +46 dmg and the option to be turned into DR or Crit? The exeeding dmg also covers up the lack in attackspeed.

    About Mjol, the dmg increase compared to Splittshot is a joke for this pricetag.[/nqb][nqb]Linkens
    When will ppl stop blindly buying Linkesn and BKB? Both are situational. You are afraid of AM, PL, Lion, Nyx and Invoker? Guess what: Mana Break, Mana Burn, EMP and Mana Drain DONT PIERCE IMMUNITY... but they SHIT on your Linkens. Even Mana Burn and Mana Drain. Both 4 sec CD. And you want Skadi anyway. Thats more stats then you need when you are not just sitting around tickeling everyone while your team dies and then getting focussed in the end but you actually deal dmg and be a threat.

    Linkens was a thing back when Snake was Lightning. Now you get more mana back then you spend to cast it. If thats not enought, try treadswapping.
    [/nqb][nqb]Manta
    Ye, illusions gain Splittshot. But its the same then with Luna. The dmg drops 3 times. first of because of the ability. Then because of the reduced dmg from the illusions. And last but nor least the biggest drop: Illusions dont benefit from raw dmg items. Thats not an effective itembuild. If you need MS keep the Yasha or get S&Y, Euls or MoM Or a plain Windlace... they are all cheaper and/or work better together with your other skills/items.

    Manta on ranged is barely a good idea. Drow brings a lot of Agi and TB a lot of basedmg... but thats pretty much it.
    [/nqb][nqb]Bloodthorn
    Just my personal opinion but: Dusa is not a Pinpoint dmgdealer. You hit everything. Items that focus on killing a single target are not that great on her IMO! Yet, when you need it...
    [/nqb][nqb]Dragon Lance
    Well. You make your life a little bit complicated. Your attackrange is 600, the range from splitshot is 700. With DL your range is 740, but splittshot stays at 700 so you outrange yourself. Ofc you can go closer by yourself. But considering that you can put a real dmgitem in this slot...
    [/nqb]

    But imo, the problem is that games are over to fast, or at least you have to join teamfights before you got your basics together.
     
  19. AvrilLabigne

    AvrilLabigne Well-Known Member

    Battlefury > Skady > MKB > Skady > BoT > Skady
     
  20. MrMackey

    MrMackey Well-Known Member

    bfury doesn't grant mana, it grants mana regen, which you most certainly do NOT need on medusa with the current mystic snake, so feel free to get morbid mask for sustain and then stop worrying.